F-22 Raptor kill markings shown off by German Eurofighter Typhoons. "The F-22 is not invincible" saga continues.

As the majority of the readers of The Aviationist already know, there are very different opinions as to the outcomes of the dogfights between the U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptors and the German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoons during the recent Red Flag – Alaska.

Was the F-22 “overwhelming” or was it “salad” for the Eurofighter’s pilots lunch (that recounted several Raptor kills)?

Anyway, as the following photos taken by Dietmar Fenners at Neuburg on Jul. 18 seems to show, the German Air Force is particularly proud of the simulated shot down of several F-22s achieved during the mock engaments.

To such an extent two planes boast some F-22 Raptor kills.

Hence, at least in a (possibly unrealistic) WVR (Within Visual Range) air-to-air engagement with the Typhoon, the Raptor is not invincible.

However, as already explained several times, simulated  kills scored during dissimilar BFM engagements don’t prove a fighter plane is better than another one, and are almost meaningless unless the actual Rules Of Engagement (ROE) and the training scenario are known.

Image credit: Dietmar Fenners

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David Cenciotti is a journalist based in Rome, Italy. He is the Founder and Editor of “The Aviationist”, one of the world’s most famous and read military aviation blogs. Since 1996, he has written for major worldwide magazines, including Air Forces Monthly, Combat Aircraft, and many others, covering aviation, defense, war, industry, intelligence, crime and cyberwar. He has reported from the U.S., Europe, Australia and Syria, and flown several combat planes with different air forces. He is a former 2nd Lt. of the Italian Air Force, a private pilot and a graduate in Computer Engineering. He has written five books and contributed to many more ones.


  1. I don’t know how you and other folks are able to make it to biological adulthood without critical thinking. If Russia would have lost, 80% of the German army would have rained down on the western front. America knew this and supplied Russia to make their job on the western front easier.

    • Yeah…you just proved you’re inability to read and understand a comment then write a rebuttal that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

      • You made it seem like America would have won the war without Russia, which is crap. What I discussed is that if Russia would have lost the Germans would have been about four times harder to beat. Those odds would not stack up well for the western front. Which is the reason America leased supplies to the Soviets.

  2. Are you sure we’ve deleted your comment? There’s no comment deleted from you, unless you used another nickname.

  3. German military gets “kill markings” for exercises and simulations, Americans get kill markings for actual combat success.

  4. And without the Canadian Lord Beaverbrook, the Brits wouldn’t have had the spitfires to pull it off.

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