According to the Pentagon, U.S. and Russian combat planes have had some tense moments over Syria.
There have been several close encounters between Russian and U.S. and allied manned and unmanned aircraft over Syria since Moscow deployed a contingent of combat planes to Latakia, in northwestern Syria, at the end of September 2015.
On Oct. 10, 2015, a Russian Su-30SM had close encounter with an unspecified U.S. combat plane supporting Operation Inherent Resolve.
According to Russia’s Ministry of Defense, the Flanker-derivative 4++ Gen aircraft was providing air escort for a package of attack planes in Syria when it approached the American plane, to perform a VID (Visual Identification) even though some sources suggested it was the Russian aircraft to be intercepted by a U.S. plane.
Anyway, even before Oct. 10, Russian warplanes tailed U.S. Predator drones on at least three separate occasions and at least a couple of times American aircraft reportedly changed their routing to deconflict with Russian aircraft.
One of those incidents saw the involvement of U.S. F-16s from Incirlik, Turkey, and some RuAF Su-34s.
After the first incidents, Russia and the US agreed on coordinating their air activity in the skies over Syria. More or less.
Close encounters and provocations were still reported quite frequently even after Nov. 24, 2015 when a Turkish Air Force (TuAF) F-16 shot down a Russian Air Force (RuAF) Su-24 that had allegedly violated the Turkish airspace.
In February 2016 the German Air Force said that Russian Air Force (RuAF) jets, including the the 4++ generation Su-35S Flanker air superiority fighters, often shadowed their Tornados during reconnaissance missions in Syrian airspace out carried out from Incirlik airbase, Turkey.
A “near clash” between four Israeli F-15s and two Russian Su-30SMs allegedly occurred on Apr. 20, more than one month after Putin had ordered the withdrawal of part of the Russian combat planes from Hmeymim airbase: flying over the Mediterranean Sea, the Israeli jets approached Latakia forcing the Russians to scramble two of their Sukhoi jets. Several Israeli media outlets even said that Russians fired at least twice on Israeli military aircraft but no incident has ever been confirmed.
Another “near clash” occurred last week, on Jun. 16.
Indeed, as reported by the CNN, U.S. F/A-18s were somehow close to engage Russian Sukhois (still not clear whether Su-34s or Su-24s as there are conflicting reports on the type of aircraft involved) that bombed U.S.-backed Syrian rebels near the Jordan border.
Here’s what happened according to Theodore Schleifer and Barbara Starr:
“The strikes, which the U.S. says killed some New Syrian Army troops, occurred about six miles from the Jordanian border, according to a U.S. defense official.
The U.S. diverted armed FA-18s to the area after the first round of two strikes, and the pilots then tried to call the Russians on a previously agreed-upon pilot-to-pilot communications channel but did not receive an answer.
As soon as the U.S. jets left the area to refuel, the Russians came back for another round of bombing, the defense official said.
“Russian aircraft conducted a series of airstrikes near al-Tanf against Syrian counter-ISIL forces that included individuals who have received U.S. support. Russian aircraft have not been active in this area of Southern Syria for some time, and there were no Syrian regime or Russian ground forces in the vicinity,” a senior defense official said. “Russia’s latest actions raise serious concern about Russian intentions. We will seek an explanation from Russia on why it took this action and assurances this will not happen again.”
The first two bombing runs by the Russians were carried out by two SU-24 Russian jets coming out of their base near Latakia. The jets dropped what is believed to be the equivalent of U.S. 500-pound bombs and possibly cluster munitions, according to the U.S. defense official.”
So, it looks like the American Hornets were pretty close to intercepting the Sukhois (in other reports they were able to visually ID the Russians), tried to contact the Russian planes as these carried out an air strike, but these simply ignored the calls on a previously agreed radio frequency.
The question is what are the ROE (Rules Of Engagement) in place over Syria? Most probably there are strict ROE to prevent escalation and avoid direct confrontation but what would have happened if the U.S. F/A-18 had intercepted the Russian warplanes attacking the US-backed rebels ignoring the American calls?
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I suspect one of the reasons Putin was so pissed, was because (from the Russian radar and flight path recordings), the Turk F-16s (flight of 2) appeared to be flying pretty low (in an effort to use the mountains to mask/lesson their radar signature) and then popped up to ambush the Su-24 as it was preparing to make a bombing run (a very vulnerable state for both the plane and pilot).
I don’t know about the Turk F-16 not “returning alive”, simply because it was so unexpected. I don’t think the Russians, at that point, had made any preparations for possible air to air combat. Even with the knowledge that Turkey had been actively supplying men and arms to some of the more radical Islamists in Syria (and buying ISIS oil), the Russians could not believe the Turks would go and do something SO BRAZEN!
I hope people will think rationally and not get too excited now and in the future when they hear of any instance of U.S. and Russian forces “almost clashing” is more than likely meant to get you worked up about something that no one who is sane, wants to see happen.
There was no secrets – the Russians told both sides and NATO what they would be doing, but someone tipped the Turks who then ambushed the Russian plane. That’s why the Russians were so pissed.
Raises serious concerns about Russians killing US backed fighters? Interesting because aren’t also fighters supported by the CIA clashing with fighters supported by the US gov?
correct, the CIA and the Pentagon are supporting opposing factions.
This is it. With lobbying the term “US” is a bit dated. On one side you have the Carlisle Group, the other various gov depts, then there are internal lobbying powers. Its better to ring fence large loads of cash and give each a name instead of governments. How else you find that the Pentagon are supporting one side and the White House the other?
Not to mention that we have SF on the ground…they will get protected.
“. . .what would have happened if the U.S. F/A-18 had intercepted the Russian
warplanes attacking the US-backed rebels ignoring the American calls?”
Never mind speculating, why not try it and see what happens?