It was just a matter of time before a civil plane was shot down in Ukraine’s SAM-infested airspace

Jul 17 2014 - 68 Comments

In spite of the amount of aircraft shot down by the rebels, civil airliners flew through the SAM-infested airspace of Eastern Ukraine with the risk of being mistakenly hit. As happened to the Malaysian Boeing 777.

It’s not a secret separatists own several anti-aircraft systems that they manage to use quite effectively. This week alone, they have shot down two military aircraft (an An-26 cargo plane near Luhansk on Jul. 14 and a Su-25 attack jet near Amvrosievka on Jul. 16) and, most probably, a civilian plane: MH17, earlier today.

USA Today infographic

Indeed, the Boeing 777 with 295 people on board, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was mistakenly shot down by the pro-Russia militia, who aimed at the Malaysia Airlines flight believing it was an AN-26 or another Ukrainian aircraft, as confirmed by some posts, then deleted on social media.

An-26 by accident

Even though there are reports that Russians personnel is supporting Ukrainian separatists on the field, it is quite likely the militia have become more proficient with such weapons by simply using them rather frequently against Ukrainian Air Force aircraft.

Obviously, every weapon system requires training. Unless you don’t have time for training: in this case you may use launchers and make mistakes, as downing a civilian plane instead of a surveillance one.

Confident no missile could be aimed at civil flights at cruising level, Ukrainian authorities had closed the airspace between the ground and 32,000 feet prior to the Malaysia Airlines incident. Therefore, airliners were routed through Kiev’s dangerous airspace in spite of the threat posed by uncontrolled SAM launchers.

When a missile hit MH17 1,000 above the ceiling of the restricted airspace, proving no aircraft is immune to deadly surface-to-air-missiles, Ukrainian airspace was partially closed.

Too late.

With so many anti-aircraft systems on the loose, it was just a matter of time a civil plane was threatened or, much worse, downed.

As happened to MH17.


Image credit:;  USA Today, Reuters


  • Antonio Valencia
    • dusan

      Yes,it is about the 100th time that Ukrainian secret service is framing him..he said several times that he has no time for any internet activity as he is on the front-line fighting. If you understand Russian,you can find many of his speaches on

      • Dusan

        The point is : anyone can write such thing and name himself STRELKOV,or Leanardo de Vinci ,or Julius Ceasar so what?It is no evidence
        Also, conversation by “rebel commanders” published by CNN
        anyone who speaks Russian (it is one of 2 major languages in Ukraine) can make it.It is again – not a proof of anything except of CNN`s biased reporting

        • Flyn_Bryan

          I am curious as to how the conversation was recorded. Seems like both sides would know communications were be monitored or maybe not? The burden now seems to be on the Russian separatist and they seem to be loosing the PR campaign.

      • Flyn_Bryan

        Didn’t Strelkov remove the twitter messages once they discovered it was a not an AN-26 that was shot down? The conversations that were recorded between the commander and the field units.. was this a radio or cell phone transmission? Does anyone know?

        • Dusan

          I think you and me can make the same recording,only if you speak some Russian – we can send our masterwork to Ukrainian state security as additional proof,and everyone is going to believe it!
          Isn`t it at least SUSPICIOUS that – having great interest in Russia being condemned and rebels crushed,as they are incapable of doing it – MAYBE Ukrainian state security agency LIED and made itself this both internet post and recording?I do not trust them at all.

          • Tim

            You sound worse than Putin…. That ok you keep blindly believing him, the richest man in Russia and Europe. Sure he gives a crap about Russians, just how much money he can keep stealing

            • Dusan

              Tim, question here was:
              – is it SURE that it was Strelkov`s post or not?
              – is it a valid proof, twitter post, for such serious crime as it is downing of civilian airplane?
              I am completely neutral on it,by logical thinking twitter post is not a proof, only if someone could provide EXACT IMTP address from which this post is written and connect it legally to Strelkov,I would believe it.
              Yet,as Flyn_Bryan says,it is HARDLY possible that they would discuss the entire incident knowing that transmission would be monitored by the Ukrainians.
              And about richest man in the world,isn`t it Bil Gates?
              By the way,as I lived in Russia, I am quite satisfied with Putin`s rule and I find many allegations simple propaganda.Of course, it could be better ,but in any other country there are also shortcomings.

              • Tim

                -It’s his comments on VIDEO when the plane was destroyed I quote, not twitter

                -comms are not uniform in the area and between irregulars, mobile use is heavy. This transcript was from a phone convo which is easily intercepted, the level of clueless comments confirm to me their legitimacy.

                -bill gates has not been the richest man in years, your lack of relevant info shows, as does your bias

                -Russians are satisfied by Putin because Russians, while brave, are weak in many ways and needs a dictator to operate, like Iraq. Democracy will never happen because Russians wouldn’t know what to do with it

                -as an Australian I couldn’t care less about your neutrality, our children lay in fields

                At the end of the day, this conflict came from Russian desire for renewed imperialism and that’s enough for me… I’ll only be happy when Strelkov is hanging from a tree on his way to hell

          • Flyn_Bryan

            I find it interesting they would discuss the entire incident knowing the transmission would be monitored by the Ukrainians.

  • Lawrence D. Wood

    How is it that the so called rebels have surface to air defense systems–SAMs? That requires vehicles, control radar, etc. How could such a system operate in the Ukraine without their AF or army taking it out?
    Sounds like the rebels and Russia have screwed up.
    Not good ‘PR’ for their cause.

    • Gruia

      The pro-russians do not have any awareness of the airspace, save for looking up and spotting contrails. They turn on their radar briefly, for targeting, then move it. This is why it was hard to take out the Serbian installations, in the late 1990s.

      • Dusan

        Hello from Serbia – indeed it was so, this whole strategy was developed in details during old Yugoslavia (obviously it would work better on original 6-republics ground),
        Nevertheless, using just Serbia-Montenegro (2 out of 6 republics) installations, our army kept control of skies to the end.
        Even at the end of 88 days bombing of Serbia by 24 world`s most developed countries enemy warplanes could not fly lower then 5000m.
        Unfortunately, despite heroic efforts from Yugoslav army, during peace time 1995-1999 Serbia`s corrupted political leaders refused to invest in army,so we defended in 1999 with aged weapons bought in 1970 – 1988.

        • OG_Locc

          “Even at the end of 88 days bombing of Serbia by 24 world`s most
          developed countries enemy warplanes could not fly lower then 5000m.”


          NATO flew tens of thousands of sorties, and *two* planes were shot down. I think you might be slightly confused about who “kept control of the skies”.

          • Dusan

            Well,at least this is a statement by Wesley Clark who was commander of operation.It is indeed courageous to attack together 24 countries a small country.But our air defences and air force were not destroyed even after 88 days of bombing,and only 13 tanks were destroyed on the ground.
            if it would not be so,NATO would immediately occupy all of Serbia and proclaime Kosovo independent.
            Instead, NATO agreed that Kosovo remains in Serbia, did not enter Serbian ground,and only after diplomatic efforts proclaimed (not universally accepted) Kosovo independence.
            Now, if NATO could win the war,why they did not?
            PS painful F- 117 yes :-) Sorry we did not see it as it was “invisible”

            • OG_Locc

              Why would you think NATO wanted to invade and occupy Serbia? Was that ever a stated goal? Was there ever any buildup of ground forces in any way, shape, or form? No.

              You are living in a confused propaganda fantasy if you think NATO didn’t “win”. You *are* aware that the Slavs ran away, aren’t you?

        • Warthog

          “Our army kept control of skies to the end.”
          He he he, that’s a good one !

          So, all that bombed targets in Serbia were probably just an illusion.
          And they did fly under 5000m.

          I expected much more resistance from the “brave” Yugoslav army which hid in holes like rats instead of fighting.

          They are only courageous in killing civilians… When there is not any resistance.

          • Dusan

            Here are the facts:
            24 countries attacked with more then 1000 airplane, cruise-missiles etc
            Albanian KLA was fighting on the ground
            KLA completely destroyed, after 88 days of bombing air defences stil active (so if Yugoslavia did not have complete controle of the sky, so did not NATO as long as at least one SAM is active and can shot down its airpalne)
            Yugoslavia signed a truce, evacuated its army (which lost only 13 tanks in 88 days) and its military airplanes (stil had 50% left)
            Kosovo remained a part of Serbia in Yugoslavia
            Nato was integrated in UN peacekeeping force
            serbia was NEVER occupied

            Considering the statistics, (as 24 world`s most developed countries against Yugoslavia after 8 years of international sanctions on buying weapons) it is a huge victory of Yugoslavia,as NATo expected Yugoslavia to surrender in 3 days and let NATO occupy Serbia.
            To this day Serbia is free from NATO troops thanks to heroic defense of Yugoslav army.
            “courageous in killing civilians” is an insult bellow the belt,which has no meaning at all.

        • Gruia

          I’m merely pointing out battlefield tactics: if your radar does not emit, it cannot be targeted. For this reason, the Serbian army kept its radars off until it received info on incoming planes from ground spotters, via telephone or radio. It would then very briefly switch on the installations along the estimated flight path to attempt tracking, before turning them off and relocating them.

          It was a highly inefficient way of shooting down planes, but good at hiding precious equipment. The Serbs had little awareness of their airspace and zero control over it.

    • Greg

      Sounds like the Russia-haters have screwed up, not asking such questions or even having proof, but still pointing fingers. Why let evidence or facts get in your way?

      • OG_Locc

        What are you talking about? It’s well established that the “rebels” have multiple Buk missile systems. They’ve posted pictures of them themselves. There’s even a video of a Buk cruising down the road back to Russia in the hours after the attack.

  • What a sad day

  • Tengo

    This could escalate quickly. Prof.Stephen Cohen mentioned in an interview today how Putin is under
    tremendous pressure from all sections of the Russian media to intervene.

    If NATO does something stupid and provocative in response this will not turn out well. For any of us.

  • eaadams

    What would be the NATO rules if this had been a NATO country national airline?

  • Tom Jones

    So there’s citizens from Russia, the EU, UK and US. This either gives Putin an excuse to send Military Engineers to recover the wreckage and in doing so they can supply the rebels with more weapons and train them using them. But this is coincidence, what if MH370 was shot down by the Russians to take the world’s media of his back and face the Aircraft. Again it has happened when there is concern in Ukraine and Russia and MH17 goes down, logical or am I very crazy.

    • Greg

      You seem to be. The EU is not a country and therefore does not have its own citizens. Citizens are of its member countries.

  • eole

    Shame on
    Why remove my comment?!

    Just like The forgotten story of Iran Air Flight 655.
    US navy murder 290 iranian passengers.

    • cencio4

      It’s not removed. Comments must be moderated before they can appear.

      • eole

        really? after 2 or 4 hours not appear.

        • cencio4

          There’s no SLA for comments. It may be moderated days later. Or may never appear if they are not acceptable.

          • Tim

            Dave, ever thought of creating a paid entry account with auto comment acceptance

            Anyone who breaches rules loses the account and fifty bucks

  • eole

    Just like The forgotten story of Iran Air Flight 655.

    • James Robinson

      Yes, Iran Air Flight 655 was a huge mistake. You know what the difference is? The United States quickly took all blame and announced it was a huge mistake.

      You think you will get that from Putin having supplied the rebel terrorist with these advanced SAM’s? Not in a million years, even if the evidence is incontrovertible. Criminals don’t admit their crimes.

      • eole

        U.S captain award a nice medal of honor for his murdering, mistake? Quickly?! Really? You can’t change the history.

      • eole

        U.S Captain award a nice medal of honor for his murdering!
        Mistake?! Proud for murdering and burning persian passengers!

        (Please don’t remove my comments!)

        • Tim

          100% agreement from Australia… Captain Rogers should have been given a life sentence. Outright murderer

          I’ve always wondered why Iran has never sent a team to get vengeance against him for it.

          Just like we should. SAS Team should be flying in and either shooting dead or capturing the POS insurgent who leads the area, then blow that BUKen thing to hell

          • disqususername

            You know the Ukranians are saying it was a training “accident” on their part now? You did hear the original audio was faked by splicing bits of conversations together and had a creation date of one day prior to the crash? Did you realise that both the Aussie and US Govts went with the audio “evidence” when everyone must have known it was BS. The conversation didn’t even make sense. The admissions have come with very little media coverage, unlike the original threats from the top level. MH17 was re-directed onto the battle field, something it had avoided for weeks. Shadowed by two fighters, and most likely shot down with an air to air missile. Only BUKs in the area were Ukraine BUKs. Russians have presented their case, no accusations, just satellite images and radar images. Its all on the web, and the US response has been that they have “social media postings” to “prove” their case. Not much mention of the fake audio now except to say that at least it was real Russian voices, even if it was spliced and faked. Preparing the audio 1 day in advance (at least the English subtitle version) does look like foreknowledge. The version released by the Ukraine govt with no sub titles had an even earlier creation date. The yanks and the Ukranians knew all along. Certainly all the press had to know the audio evidence was faked. The conversation was laughable. A military officer saying “They must be spies” in response to being told an airliner has been shot down? Really?

        • James Robinson

          Awarded the medal of honor? You truly are clueless.

          • eole

            and you are so irreverent.
            where are you coming? from 1945?

          • Tim

            And you’re being obsuficating, and misleading. He didn’t get an MOH, though he did get the Legion of Merit for his time at sea including the period of the Iran flight, his AWS received commendations based on the action

            EVERY investigation including his COs showed Rogers to be a cowboy and outside his assigned duty, even disobeying orders to get his ship in action

            Bottom line he is as responsible for Murder and a war crime (VP Bush brushed off the incident as being a vessel at war) as much as these Rebels…

            • James Robinson

              Rogers got a standard award for his position and time at sea, it wasn’t anything special. I’m not saying the Iranian incident wasn’t a tragic loss and mistake. That is obvious.

              At least we acknowledged the US did it, you will get nothing such from Russia and it’s rebels even if the evidence is incontrovertible. Plus the scenarios were different, in one you had a ship being aggressed on by Iranian PT boats, and an airliner that just happened to take off from an airfield that had enemy F14’S.

              They even tried to contact the plane on multiple guard frequencies which they should have been monitoring. Yes, Rogers was a cowboy but with bad information from his staff he acted aggressively to the perceived attack.. They fell into scenario fullfilment, but it wasn’t a cut and dry situation.

              Now compare that to Russian supplied rebels just randomly shooting SAM’S at aircraft in Eastern Ukraine and there is no comparison. Even the rebels twitter about shooting down an Antonov then quickly retracted it when they realized it was a civilian airliner.

              Putin has blood all over his hands in this no way around it. Just like the Soviets did shooting down the Korean airliner with Positive visual ID on an airliner. Putin is a tyrant and I hope this incident really hits the Russian economy hard until the people can get that Soviet minded leader out of there.

              • tim robinson

                Agree with your recount but Putin will pay as much as Andropov did over KAL007, and as much as Reagan -Bush did over Iran Air (Bush -‘I’ll never, no matter the situation, apologise for the United States… ‘ Sounds very Putin like)

                Rodgers shouldn’t have received the LoM, standard or not, for refusing orders he should have been subject to a court martial or discharged

              • ossie

                You forget an important aspect: the USS Vincennes was deliberately violating Iranian territorial waters attacking Iranian vessels, when it shot down IA655 in Iranian airspace.
                The “guard frequencies” were 7 times the military, and 3 times civilian emergency ones. Obviously a civilian aircraft wouldn’t have the gear for the military frequencies.
                The USS Vincennes helicopter had already unprovokedly opened fire at Iranian vessels a few weeks ago, american cowboy stile.
                As for the acknowledgement of guilt, the US didn’t admit any responsibility, or legal liability, and made a $131.8M settlement (typical for US justice, where corporations assume no guilt, but pay for it).

                • James Robinson

                  There is no such thing as “military” guard frequencies, although UHF is used a lot by the military. Guard frequencies apply to all aircraft. The Vincennes broadcast its warnings by voice radio, using the emergency UHF and VHF channels that aircraft crews would hear if they followed standard practice of monitoring those frequencies.

                  Those frequencies are 121.5 and 243.0. As a military pilot we constantly monitor both. Civilian aircraft are ALWAYS suppose to monitor at least 121.5. I can’t help it if the Iranian pilots weren’t paying attention to their radios or had them improperly configured.

                  As for the Vincennes helicopter “opening fire first”, complete nonsense. The helicopter did no such thing and wasn’t even configured with air to surface weapons.

                  At 2:10 a.m. EDT, three Iranian Boghammar gunboats fired on a helicopter that had flown off the Vincennes on a reconnaissance mission. The helicopter flew back to the cruiser unscathed. The Vincennes and a smaller warship, the frigate USS Elmer Montgomery, a half-hour later closed on the gunboats and put them under fire with 5-inch guns, sinking two and damaging the third.

                  Two minutes after the Airbus took off, the far-reaching radars of the Vincennes Aegis cruiser saw the plane was coming its way. The skipper of the ship, operating under liberalized rules of engagement that call for U.S. captains in the Persian Gulf to fire before being fired upon to avoid another Stark disaster, warned the approaching aircraft to change course.

                  The Vincennes and most airliners are equipped with identification of friend or foe (IFF) electronic boxes that query each other across the sky to establish identities. The Vincennes’ IFF questioned the Airbus IFF via telemetry, but received no response. A response would come in radio pulses that would be deciphered and displayed as an identifying number on the ship’s combat information center consoles.

                  “The suspect aircraft was outside the prescribed commercial air corridor,” Defense Department officials said later that the Airbus was four miles west of commercial air corridor. “More importantly,” Crowe continued, “the aircraft headed directly for Vincennes on a constant bearing at high speed, approximately 450 knots.”

                  The US acknowledged it had shot down the Iranian plane. It won’t admit “guilt” as the Iranian’s were extremely negligent in the operation of their aircraft over a war zone and failed basic safety protocols.

                  The Iranian shootdown and the MH17 shootdown COULD NOT BE ANY MORE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

                  The Soviet shootdown of Korean Airlines is WAY more similar in ineptitude of the MH17 shootdown.

                  • ossie

                    243.0MHz is used _only_ by the military, on which 7 of the 10 contact attempts were made.
                    The helicopter firing incident did happen on June 2nd, a few weeks _before_ the fateful day, depicting the trigger-happy spirit on the Vincennes’ crew.
                    Military IFF Mode II would get no answer from a civilian aircraft transponder. IA655 was squawking Mode III 6760 during it’s flight, and complied to all regulations.
                    The acknowledgement came later, the second day as pressure was mounting, at first the Pentagon was still claiming to have shot down a F14.
                    They denied for years the violation of Iran’s territorial waters, and the settlement came almost a decade later after Iran brought the matter to the International Court of Justice in 1989.

                  • Tarakian

                    Mr. James Robinson: Thanks for your service to our country. Thank you very much for your detailed comments and clarity on this issue. You contrasted very well the MH17 and Korean Air shootdown with the Iran Air Flight 655. I can see “failures” on the different players involved. I have a question for you and appreciate your response. But first preface my question, by saying I do believe in American exceptionalism, there is a role for commanders like Captain Rogers aggressiveness. My question, what would happen if the President of the U.S. apologizes for Iran Air Flight 655 and to the civilians that died? Thanks

      • Tim

        Flight 655 was an outright war crime and captain rogers should have been tried as such, instead he gets a medal… Beyond criminal

      • Roland Lawrence

        Easy mistake. They said sorry. Surely thats enough? Unless you are Libya in which case the TWA jet cost them $2bn in settlements. When you have the biggest stick in the playground – you make the rules not abide by them. Simples.

    • Tiy B.

      how about the Korean flight 007 Russia shot down?

      • che

        It had exceeded its expected maximum deviation sixfold, that’s about how. What about Russian commercial flight shot down by the Ukrainian military on 4 October 2001?

  • lalucre

    David, I would be interested in how a SAM system – like the Buk – identifies aircraft. Do they only see a dot on a radar screen (therefor not knowing whether it is friend or foe), or do they have mor sophisticated methods?

    • nova3930

      The SA-11 version of the BUK is relatively modern (designed in the 70s, deployed in the 80s) so I’d be shocked if it doesn’t have an IFF capability. Now whether the guys running the thing know how to use the IFF capability, that’s a lot less certain…

      • Roland Lawrence

        Its curious why rebels would request or accept such a system. Shoulder mounted systems – yes, get a visual – fire! But state style weapons? Seems illogical. The Su25 is a low level ground attack aircraft.

        On the other hand, the Ukrainians getting foreign powers involved on their side would be a fantastic strategic advantage and thus would be incentive in declaring the airspace *safe* in the hope of snaring a hapless victim.

        • ODM

          …yeah, because masked and heavily armed folks running around the countryside have made so many logical decisions so far….

  • Вася Куролесов

    when the Ukies shot down a Russian civilian airliner in 2001, I could see shrapnel holes on the fuselage even on TV pictures.
    This time there are no such holes… which to me indicates it wasn’t shot down or not with a Buk thing which, rather than hit them, explodes nearby and sprays targets with thousands of shrapnel bits.
    My guess at this time — it’s an old 16-year-old 777 falling apart in mid-air — essentially the same fate at its predecessor 777 MH370 of four months back.

  • Вася Куролесов

    when the Ukrainian military shot down a Russian civilian airliner in 2001, I could see shrapnel holes on the fuselage even on TV pictures.
    time there are no such holes… which to me indicates it wasn’t shot
    down or not with a Buk thing which, rather than hit them, explodes
    nearby and sprays targets with thousands of shrapnel bits.
    My guess
    at this time — it’s an old 16-year-old 777 falling apart in mid-air —
    essentially the same fate at its predecessor 777 MH370 of four months

    • OG_Locc

      Good grief. The S-200 that shot down the Russian plane has a warhead 4X the size of of a Buk – and you haven’t even seen 10% of the MH17 wreckage.

      777s don’t “fall apart in mid air”.

  • Cale

    What I am missing on the videos from the crashed airliner is the smoke trail whilst coming down. Whilst hitting the earth, yes there was an explosion and smoke. Should the BUK missile not have caused an explosion and thus a smoke trail of the plane falling out of the sky?

    • Peter Bonfil

      Yes an AA missile leaves a smoke trail also condensation trail no one seems to show one.

  • ossie

    While tweets seem to be the ultimate information source around here, have also a look at:

    10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos

    “Kiev Authorities, trying to make it look like an attack by pro-Russians”

    10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros

    “warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”

    10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba

    “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”

    10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev

    “[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”

    10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado

    “The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”

    10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente

    “Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”

    10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT

    “Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”

    10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,

    “An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”

    10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro

    “they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”

    10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev

    “Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”

    11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la
    confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la
    información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora

    “We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”

    11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información

    “What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”

    11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo

    “When possible I´ll keep writing”

    11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,

    The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,

    11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de
    kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca
    minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza

    “If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet
    fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”

    12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?

    “Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”

    12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí

    “7:00 minutes after [plane
    disappeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with
    foreigner staff, they still here ”

    12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también

    “all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”

    13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos

    “Here the military
    commanders are in control and admit that the military could be following
    other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”

    13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .

    “Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”

    13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden

    “Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”

    13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí,
    militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto
    puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko

    “Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the
    current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following
    timishenko orders]”

    13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos

    “The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”

    13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo

    “Airspace closed”

    13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos

    “Airspace is closed, more downings feared”

    15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil

    “military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”

    15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado

    “Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”

    15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica
    de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las
    autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes

    “The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”

    15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no

    “Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”

    15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine

    “military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”

    15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa,
    digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y
    militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior

    “For those who do not know,
    Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister
    and military under the orders of Interior Minister”

    15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .

    “The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”

    16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,

    “Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”

    16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,

    “military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,”

    16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero

    “290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”

    16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos

    “The way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]”

    16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas

    “The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”

    16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que
    los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos
    llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión

    “Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version”

    16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas

    “Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts”

    • Dusan

      I am quite sure it is truth, yet, Western public is going to accept Strelkov`s tweet as truth,and this one as fake – using method of wishful thinking

    • Gruia

      There are several things with this story which do not fit:
      1. Only Ukrainian citizens can be air-traffic controllers
      2. The plane was last guided from Dnipropetrovsk air traffic control, not Kyev. An ATC officer in Kyev would not be privy to such wealth of information

      3. No other news agency found the man, except for RT. Nobody wants the scoop?
      3. No one else has come forward – I assume there would be at least a few other whistleblowers with enough of a conscience to come forward, after 298 people have died

      • ossie

        More attention please:
        1. Read article
        2. Read my first statement (from while up up to the comma)
        3. Repeat 1
        3. Got the idea? The same goes for idiot-tube, and other “sources of absolute truth”…

  • Greg

    People need to ask who benefits from this, if they genuinely want to find out who was responsible for it.

  • Peter Bonfil

    Black Flag?

  • squid

    Hi, the only thing I can be sure of is that neither side is going to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. No surprise that they all accuse their opponents of media manipulation. So, I’m also trying to put pieces together, and two technical questions emerged:

    1. What is the precision of a BUK radar for measuring altitude? Could the operators mistakingly read that the plane was below 32000ft, and therefore deduce it was not civilian?

    2. Is it possible to mask a transponder response by planes supposedly flying in the vicinity?

    Thank you.

  • disqususername

    Strelkov said it wasn’t him who posted it. He had been giving updates with one or two days delay, not live. Certainly never boasted like that. The Audio “evidence” of a Russian officer and militant talking was fake, spliced from several conversations, and created the day before the crash. So Strelkov’s denials ring true.

  • ytrnj

    Wrong timestamp is a known youtube bug by the way.