Exclusive: F-16 gets killed by Typhoon during air combat training in first Eurofighter HUD capture ever.

Apr 26 2012 - 32 Comments

The following screenshot comes from a video recorded by the HUD (Head Up Display) of a Eurofighter Typhoon and it is the first (and only) Typhoon HUD capture ever made public.

It shows an F-16 in the wrong place at the wrong time: in front of a high maneuvering plane capable to point its nose when it wants to.

During a dissimilar air combat training (DACT), the “Viper”, in clean configuration and maneuvering under high G-forces, is killed by a Typhoon with a gun shot scored while flying at 8,200 feet, less than 5 degrees AOA (Angle of Attack), Mach 0.46, pulling 1.8G.

According to the source who sent it to me, the rest of the video shows that the Typhoon, after downing the F-16, continues maneuvering vertically, accelerating a bit to climb and descend again for a second shot on the same target.

The video answers to the some articles published in 2011 about claims that Pakistan Air Force’s pilots scored Typhoon kills during DACT taking place in Turkey, during Ex.  Anatolian Eagle. According to such reports, Pakistani pilots on exchange with the Turkish Air Force, and flying TuAF F-16s, scored kills against RAF Typhoons in WVR (Within Visual Range) gun contests (even if no evidence was provided to support claims fueling the theory that the  of fighter pilot tall story).

Since I don’t think I need to explain once again why DACT WVR is important and why any simulated kill should be taken with grain of salt, let me just add (paraphrasing someone else’s words:

“The European Typhoon kicks butts!”

  • bruno

    I’m very surprising by the clarity of this capture !

    when we will see a capture of a rafale in this hud ?

    • http://theaviationist.com/ David Cenciotti

      Soon. Keep reading this blog. ;-)

  • Marin

    Whose Air Force is this EF?

  • Martin

    Eurofighter might be a good fighter regarding air dominance, unfortunately it is a very low performance plane for ground attack…

    Be that as it may, this picture is very nice

    • Steve

      Nonsense!

      Typhoons Air to ground capabilities are excellent, based on the evidence of all the successful ground attacks that it undertook in Libya.

      • bruno

        sorry to launch controversy.

        EF air ground capabilities are very basic for the moment. Only BGL, no cruise or air to ground missile, only one shot for each pass. The EF was not made for that. Tornado have very much important capabilities.
        look at the swiss report
        (sorry for my poor english)

        • http://theaviationist.com/ David Cenciotti

          Yes.
          Regardless what marketing department said, especially after the air war in Libya, the Typhoon has still a lot to learn in the air-to-surface scenario. Nevertheless, it will probably prove itself a very good multi-role aircraft. But the type of air-to-ground missions flown during Operation Unified Protector was basic and still reliant on the support of the Tornado GR4s.

        • Yawn

          The EF may not have the kind of strike ‘dedication’ that the Rafale has, but it has all the pre-requisites to fulfil most possible strike roles (other than probably long-range stand off strike). All in all, it has great potential provided the supporting governments decide to fund.

  • bruno

    keep dreaming! i’m french “fanboy” lol!

    • http://theaviationist.com/ David Cenciotti

      In this case keep waiting: I’ve not said I hope some day a Typhoon will score a Rafale kill. It’s already happened and there’s a HUD camera video. I’m just trying to get the screenshot…

  • AAM

    F-16 too can easily kill eurofighter, the video is on youtube.

    • Froggy

      Its the Pilot not only the Plane! A F-5 can kill a F-16!

  • http://theavionist.com Lee Griffin

    The typhoon is left wing down (left turn) so his cannon fire will pass well behind the Viper. I’m neither a Typhoon nor Viper lover but this shot is bogus and a cheap call.

    • http://theaviationist.com/ David Cenciotti

      LOL

      Lee I’m sure you’r neither a pilot nor a flight simmer otherwise you’d be able to understand that the Typhoon is on a right hand turn (right wing down).
      And of course the screenshot is absolutely genuine as anything I publish on my blog.

    • Steve

      You are obviously not familiar with the constantly computed impact point (CCIP) This isn’t a deflection shot. Where the pipper is placed on the F16 is where the rounds WILL hit if the trigger is squeezed at that time. they will not pass above below or anywhere else they will hit on the dot.

    • Alexandar

      That is no Russian HUD, where is full logic, when your left wing s down, your HUD show that, on NATO plains is opposite.line on the HUD show the line of land line hor. , and not position of the plain And i always ask my self isn’t that confusing except in situation when air plain totally loos control.

  • knightone

    I always thought releasing HUD images of simulated kills to be a desperate “PR move” as they do not mean anything at all in terms of… well, anything. Perhaps why we have seen so many from France.

  • Mike

    Someone will post those lovely shots of a Typhoon caught in an F-16′s HUD in 3..2..1

    • http://theaviationist.com/ David Cenciotti

      If you read my article and click on the link you’ll find footage of a Typhoon caught in an F-16′s HUD…

  • Mike

    BTW, the Typhoons killed by F-16′s flown by PAF pilots were those belonging to the Italian Air Force. The story is 100% real too just incase you were wondering, those of us that were there know tat they ( the Typhoons) took a right pasting. F-16′s are one aircraft in particular that the Typhoon really struggles with when fighting WVR.

    • http://theaviationist.com/ David Cenciotti

      Are you sure?
      That’s the first time I hear this story. As far as I know, the only time an Italian Typhoon squadron has attended the Anatolian Eagle it was not involved in any DACT with the Turkish F-16s.
      And, to be honest, if you assume the story is 100 percent real, you have to agree that the even the part of the account when the Pakistani officer says they confrontated with the RAF and scored a 3:0 ratio, is true. He gave an interview to AFM’s Alan Warnes, if I recall correctly. Why did he lie on the Typhoon’s nationality?

      Anyway, I don’t care if the Typhoons were Italian, Spanish or British since I’ve already explained that the value of such engagements can’t be judged unless you know the scenario, the ROE etc. Same for the HUD captures.

    • Steve

      The Typhoon does not struggle at all with F16, During flight ops in a 1 v 6 xF16 it has scored a 6-0 before now. it has also come up well against the F22 Raptor.

      The truth is that in Air to Air scenarios, everyone scores kills against everyone. You can be in a 1950′s jet,up against one of the latest 3rd generation fighters, but if you can creep up and catch it him by surprise, get your shot in first, you will win. Thats what its all about isn’t it?
      Combat is a lot more than turning and burning. Look through history and note all the of fighter pilots in this world who did not see the aeroplane that shot them down…!

  • Winston

    Pakis lie all the time.

  • David

    Typhoon pilots refused not to fight the F-22 out in the mddle east a while back and the tales of Typhoons killing F-22′s over the Nellis ranges are just that, tales, tall tales.

  • David

    “Refused to fight” the above should read

    • http://theaviationist.com/ David Cenciotti

      To be honest, I’ve never heard of any combat pilot refusing to perform ACM even against more capable aircraft. For instance, Italy has flown the F-104 in the air defense role until 2004 and even if they were obviously less capable than the F-16s they still kept performing DACT because flying in such challenging scenarios was considered a valuable form of training.
      Anyway, what was the exercise in the ME being attended by both Typhoons and F-22s?

    • Bao Pham

      Has an F-22 ever been deployed to the Middle East? That’s new to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tariqsheeraz Tariq Shiraz

    hmm wAT aBot in turky when an old f.16z of paf caught eurofighters of raf 3time in close combat … man behind the machine matters not machine…

  • Tunechi

    Bruno, there’s already a HUD screenshot of the Rafale downing a
    F-22 on the internet. I’ve seen it several times.

  • http://twitter.com/ricjam33 Ricardo Pereira (@ricjam33)

    Eis aqui as surras do Rafale em outros jatos:
    Nos mostre as suas surras.

    Vamos la….Exercícios:

    RED SHARK 2004.. surrou F15 e Tornado
    4 Rafale-M venceram 4 F-15S e 4 Tornado IDS da Royal Saudi AF, tanto em BVR como WVR

    JTFEX 2008.. surrou SH em 6×1
    Green Shield 2007 e 2009.. surrou F15s

    ATLC 2009 surrou.. Typhoon, F16 e F22
    Rafale versus Typhoon:
    7 x 1 para o Rafale, com armamento ar-ar;

    Rafale versus F-22: Combate aéreo a curta distância, em alcance visual, o Raptor foi pego facilmente.

    Rafale em missões SEAD detectaram sites de SAM que os F-16CJ não detectaram;
    O OSF do Rafale funcionou bem contra alvos a 20 milhas.
    Demonstração de capacidade “omnirole” com disparos de 6 Sagem AASM contra 6 alvos diferentes e engajamento simultâneo de alvos aéreos com 4 mísseis BVR MICA. Nesta missão, o assento traseiro do Rafale era ocupado com um piloto dos Emirados.

    F22 no HUD e OSF do Rafale:
    http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8959/92847677.jpg
    http://cavok.com.br/blog/wp-contents/uploads/2011/12/rafale_68.jpg

    Typhoon lockado no Hud do Rafale:
    http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1609/68450964.jpg

    F-16E/F Block 60 at the sight of a Rafale.
    http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ricardo.ricjam/35615/

    Super Hornet F-18E/F at the sight of a Rafale
    http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ricardo.ricjam/35614/
    http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ricardo.ricjam/35613/

    Eurofighter Typhoon at the sight of a Rafale

    http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ricardo.ricjam/35558/
    http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ricardo.ricjam/35557/
    http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ricardo.ricjam/35567/

    Vídeo Rafale surrando SuperHornet….a partir de 3:00 mins:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6bnpq_rafale-vs-superhornet_sport

    Vídeo Rafale surrando F16 block 60….a partir de 2:00 mins:

    Na Frisian Flag os Rafales simulavam caças soviéticos armados com misseis semiativos e radar ligado, o que permitiu os velhos Phantoms com seu velho APG-65 engaja-los a distancia com Amraams.
    Nestes tipicos treinos os velhos Phantoms alemães já cansaram de abater F16s,F15s, etc… Super Normal mas tem leigos desavisados que não entendem isso,

    Na Cruzex o Rafale fez festa de abates tirando elogios do Comandante Chileno que participou dos treinos no F16.
    http://www.cavok.com.br/blog/?p=24320

    No Blog vulgo Gripelandia financiada inventaram a jocosa mentira sobre F-5 pegar Rafale e espalharam aos quatro ventos no intuito de virar verdade. Ninguem da FAB que esteve em Natal confirma essa lorota, nem mesmo os pilotos brasileiros que participaram do Exercicio, onde tiveram a oportunidade de voar no Rafale B.

  • AkitoShen

    Does anyone have Video links?