MB.339CD kill markings

May 13 2010 - 5 Comments

The following pictures, taken by Giovanni Maduli at Decimomannu airbase during Starex exercise have made the news and caused sensation. In fact, the kill markings on the two MB.339CDs of the 212° Gruppo of the 61° Stormo, based in Lecce-Galatina, clearly show the silhouettes of a three (2+1) F-2000 Typhoons (virtually) shot down during training engagements that took place inside the ACMI range. The kill markings were applied as a hoax but the news of the presumed kills was too much emphasized. Many talked about the presumed failure of the Typhoons and their pilots, a superficial analysis that was far from being true. Actually, the 339s played a sort of aggressor role in a so-called “Bogey scenario” that was very dangerous for any interceptor; furthermore, the F-2000s were compelled by the ROE (Rules Of Engagement) to be “visual” with the CDs within 1 or 2 miles, and had not the immediate clearance to engage “hot”. Consequently, the “Macchini” had the opportunity to shoot one or two Fox 2s (IR-guided missiles, the AIM-9L Sidewinder) thanks to both the manouvrability of the MB.339 and to the fact that the F-2000 could not use the flares. Hence, the scenario that the Typhoon had to face was extremely demanding, especially since the F-2000s were also called to “manage” some F-16s at the same time. The pilots of the 61° Stormo honestly admitted that the F-2000s obtained so many kills on the MB.339s that there would have been not enough space on their fuselages to draw them all!

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  • Bao Pham

    Why can’t the EF-2000 deploy flares? Were they not allowed to or do they not have a system that allows them to use flares?

    • http://cencio4.wordpress.com/ David Cenciotti

      Hi,
      they are equipped with flare dispensers but they are usually not used during training sorties. Furthermore, the flare is a good countermeasure when the missile has already been shot, so it is useless in training scenarios in which an aircraft is considered downed if the other one has reached a firing position (since it obviously can’t really fire).

  • Voice_of_Reason

    it’s lame to put “kill markings” on an aircraft based on training “kills”. too many restrictions, too,any variables left out in order to be able to train specific tasks.